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Post by al on Feb 13, 2008 16:55:15 GMT -5
How many of you follow a high intensity training (HIT) routine? How many prefer high volume?
I'm not a big fan of HIT, but I know some older athletes swear by it. I'm also aware that everything works, to some degree.
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Post by jasony on Feb 21, 2008 14:45:12 GMT -5
I use a form of HIT during the Fall and Winter months. I use a four set routine. First set is ussually a warm up, then I increase the weight for two working sets in the 8-10 rep range going to positive failure. On the fourth set, I increase the weight and go to failure occuring within 3-6 reps. As my strenght increases and my last set reps move to 8, I then incorporate that weight as my working sets.
In the spring I go more to volume for burning fat and popping veins.
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Post by al on Feb 21, 2008 16:50:47 GMT -5
You know, I've been reading your logs for over two years and never thought you were going to failure much, except on maybe things like those leg presses when you were trying for a PR.
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Post by jasony on Feb 22, 2008 7:55:06 GMT -5
That is supposed to be my BTW routine. Never got rolling last year. (Too many interuptions) When you see me crank out 4 sets with a 10-8-8-6 rep scheme, the last set is to failure. Thats why I always finish with a pump. (Tear em down, pump em up)
Since the aches and pains, nicks and dings have become more prevailing because of the number of earth's orbits around the sun I have witnessed, I am considering changing my methods. (Using the basics with a 4x8-12 rep range gradually increasing the weights)
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Post by al on Feb 22, 2008 20:57:57 GMT -5
Did you ever think of staying with the high intensity, but changing your primary exercises for each bodypart more often?
How many injuries have I had since we met? A bunch, right? How many have I had over the past six months? None.
Frequent change is the key.
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Post by jasony on Feb 25, 2008 8:16:06 GMT -5
Alot of things float thru my mind, alas, I'm a creature of habit. I use my version of HIT for strength gains in the fall and early winter. I know you have been successful dodging the dings with your change in philosophy. Change is key, as well as patience which I am slowly learning:))
You know what I am considering? My squat routine that I use with very little variation. (6 sets-5-5-5-3-5-10- going up and down the rack with the10 reps of 150 lbs at the end) My legs are hard as rocks, so Ima thinkin', if its working on legs, why not use this routine on the rest of the ol' bod? Then I think swapping weights at the squat rack is pretty simple--constantly swapping weights in other areas would be time consuming. I may be to lazy for that! LOL--Its tuff trying to convey my thought process to words--Ah, to be in the mind of the olddog:))
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Post by al on Feb 25, 2008 19:42:51 GMT -5
All I can say is, everything works; nothing works forever.
Hey, if it makes your legs as hard as rocks, why don't you make Robin a happy woman and....
Wait a minute. You baited me, didn't you? Laree, Laree!!!
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Post by jasony on Feb 26, 2008 7:57:56 GMT -5
I'll agree that nothing works forever (without change). So if you stick with the same movements utilizing different weights and rep schemes hitting the muscle with slight variation of angles (simple as little lean or a twist), using auxilary exercises to enhance the basics, is that not change? Check out yeserdays routine.
As for making Robin happy--lol--Dogwood comes to mind:))
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Post by al on Feb 28, 2008 16:29:15 GMT -5
Yea, noticed your change in reps scheme. I prefer changing the exercises every few weeks, but then again, I'm more hyper than you are.
Dogwood? I hear it's more like dog twig.
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Post by jasony on Feb 28, 2008 18:24:09 GMT -5
Let me explain. I most always include the basics(standing bar curls, french press or Skulls, some sort of bench press, rows, squats or deads) I change the ancillary movements (concentration curls, hammers, tri extensions, pushdowns, kick backs).
Just call me twiggy--lol--its been cold in OK:))
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Post by al on Feb 29, 2008 19:32:53 GMT -5
Well, if you're changing the basics around too -- a la "some sorta" -- then we're in concert.
Nothin' worse than Okie shrinkage. Just ask the Okie women.
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Post by hoboken on Mar 4, 2008 19:41:37 GMT -5
OK, Pete's here and everything's gonna be OK now Al! I say do Volume training without getting carried away with the concept. Most of the time as I'm getting ready to train, my mind (not me) automatically generates a routine based on how much energy I have, motivation, etc. Sometimes I wind up doing something totally different than what I expected to do.
Today, for example, I took my Noo Yawk BB Srhug Bar and elevated myself on a stable platform and did ATG Squats with a shrug and a calf extension at the top. I feel if there was such a thing as a secret to working out (there isn't) this would be one of them. Works almost every muscle in your body and your grip too! I worked up in weight and did probably 8 sets or so. You can't use mega weights with this one or, at least, I can't anyway. then I did some BB Bench Presses, parallel grip pullups, shoulder stuff with DBs. etc. to finish off. Am I in the wrong area with this one Al? Oh yeah, I forgot to say I was 59 and a half years old (I fibbed, I'm really 59 and a quarter). This is / was my intro., I go now!! hoboken aka Pete-LV
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Post by jasony on Mar 5, 2008 8:42:57 GMT -5
Cool!!! Ya hit it on the head, Pete!!! Although I generally have a set program, I too may do something completely different than planned, according to feel. Roll with the flow.
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Post by al on Mar 5, 2008 15:36:09 GMT -5
Well, I'm a bit more anal retentive than youse guys. I almost always follow a plan. Nothing wrong with intinctive training though...as long as you've got good instincts. So let me get this straight, Pete. You put a harness on that trap bar, then did squats with toe raises. That thing looks like a big metal skirt. So, you musta looked like a freaking ballerina. ROFL. You marines are soooooo macho.
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Post by hoboken on Mar 5, 2008 16:59:06 GMT -5
Heh-heh-heh! Only when I put my pink shlippers on Al!! Uh-oh! I think I just heard the Ghost of Peary Rader rattling his "Magic Coicle" over that comment!! You so crazy Al!! Well, as a matter of fact, if you do the ATG Shqvatz without the harness (whinnnyyyyy!!!) your grip being worked is an added benefit and therefore somewhat superior no?! .
I just wanted the option of having my hands free while exercising to do other important things! (I know what you're thinking, so, you better go to Confession right now) Actually, I really meant cell phone usage (that's not agiant the law yet, is it?), eatin' some Bacala , etc.!!
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